Kneel down to the high priest of IDM all, or you shall perish in the pit of
HELL.
Brock Suter wrote:
quoted 160 lines I thank andy panda for the subject line.> I thank andy panda for the subject line.
>
> That's what this all has to do with, along with respect, or lack of.
>
> In looking through my IDM archives to find what kind of poster Andy was,
> I found something very disturbing.
>
> But first a disclaimer:
>
> I am not trying for force my morals on anyone. You can do what you
> want, but when people start posting, in public, about things that I'm
> not cool with (I.E.: illegal/immoral/things that do not belong on this
> list) that's when I feel I should say something.
>
> Read this entire post as IMHO.
>
> :begin rant:
>
> Due to people like andy (aka Joseph Andrew Gallo aka AJ), this list is
> rapidly becoming a haven for bootlegs/auctions/sales/trades. Some may
> think this is ok, but I do not. And I'll tell you why.
>
> Andy, along with others who have made similar posts, are greedy little
> thieves who think they are ENTITLE to everything and anything they want.
>
> In November and December of 1999, it appears that Andy CDR'd his ENTIRE
> collection of rare IDM records and auctioned them off for as much money
> as he could get. In the post he made this week about the ae bootleg, he
> revealed that not only does he still have ALL of the music that he
> auctioned off on EBAY, he is willing to use it to trade for even more
> bootleg copies of rare IDM music.
>
> Some people see nothing wrong with this practice.
>
> I do.
>
> I OWN all of those records and I love them. I would NEVER think of
> giving them up because they are a part of my collection. I've
> downloaded (or recorded myself) quite a few of them on mp3/CD for
> backup, and even further, originally purchased MANY of them in dual
> formats, both vinyl and CD, for the same reason. I understand this is a
> privilege of having a decent job and money to do so, but that's why I
> work. I HAVE given out copies of many of these items, mainly in the
> form of mixtapes, but have asked for NOTHING in return.
>
> I've tried to explain WHY I think it's wrong to sell an original of a
> rare object and keep a perfect copy before. Some people understood and
> some people didn't. Andy is one of those who obviously doesn't.
>
> Some think that there is no theft here, just 'idm patron saintly
> behavior' because they are allowing others a RARE chance at OWNING this
> music.
>
> This is bullshit.
>
> Just because you WANT something doesn't mean you are entitled to it.
>
> Look at the warez scene.
>
> If this was a Steinberg mailing list, would it be ok to sell your
> original copies of cubase, recycle, and rebirth here, while telling
> everyone that you ARE keeping (and will be selling/trading) CDR's of the
> originals and photocopies of the manuals?
>
> No it would not.
>
> Is it ok to make copies of money and sell the bills?
>
> No it is not.
>
> So what makes these records any different?
>
> Oh, they're RARE and OUT OF PRINT and everyone should be able to listen
> to them.
>
> While I'm not going to argue that people shouldn't be able to listen to
> the music, I am going to say that I don't think it's cool to publicly
> post blatantly illegal practices to this list.
>
> It's completely disrespectful to all the people have gone to the record
> store twice a week for years, who paid for and cherish this music, it's
> disrespectful to the labels who are represented here as well as the
> artists themselves.
>
> Some may argue that this isn't the case but it is, AFAIK.
>
> I makes the whole list look greedy, immature and stupid.
>
> It's no wonder that artists like FSOL, RDJ, AE, BDP, James Bernard, JSD,
> MMM, etc can't stand it here. And yeah kids, you'd be surprised who's
> been on IDM in the years I've been here. I still talk to quite a few of
> them and they think IDM is a big shithole now.
>
> 'Back in the old days' there were few FS/FA/FT lists posted. If you
> wanted to sell or trade something, you would post that you have a list
> of items for sale and anyone who's interested in knowing what they are
> would email you privately for that list. Or a simple url with the list
> would suffice.
>
> Today we have a bunch of little fuckers running around trying to make
> money and posting a million auction anouncments and updates. All I can
> chalk it up to is immaturity, greed and laziness.
>
> I motion that we ban (or limit) this practice from the list once again.
>
> This list is a place for discussion of the music we call IDM, not a
> place for finding the music.
>
> I used to email people asking for their FS lists. Now I want to email
> people telling them to fuck off and die every time a 150+ line auction
> list pops into my IDM box.
>
> Personally, I don't use IDM as a vehicle for making money OR a name for
> myself. It keeps things simpler that way. I love to dj and I do it for
> FREE. I love to play live, and I do it for FREE. I love to make people
> tapes, and I do it for FREE. I don't mind that people ARE making money
> off the music I love, artists or labels for example, but when I see
> people constantly updating the list on their auctions, where the
> starting bid for a copy of mask 200 is $150, it makes me want to puke.
>
> It's all about GREED and the quest for MORE stuff.
>
> Fuck all you little shitheads.
>
> You have no place here, as far as I am concerned.
>
> :end rant:
>
> Andy is confused.
>
> In one post (10.26.99) he said:
>
> > ok, if you have a problem w/whats below, please e-mail me
> > personally, not the list:
>
> In another (3.16.00) he said:
>
> > TO ANYONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH MY TRADE OFFER & WANTLIST & JUST NEEDS TO
> > BE VOCAL ABOUT IT, POST YOUR COMMENTS ON THE LIST OR WHINE TO YOUR FRIENDS.
> > JUST DON'T EMAIL ME CUZ I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK.
>
> then later (3.16.00):
>
> > none of care brock. have a shitfit over something that matters eh
>
> I said 'I do care' and I got told:
>
> > bravo you fucking idiot. eat a dick.
>
> I'd like to open the floor to the more intelligent members of IDM-L and
> ask what should be done about the rampant abuse and subsequent
> deterioration of this list.
>
> thank you for listening.
>
> brock
>
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